Re: netbehaviour : Re: [-empyre-] Who decides and what to preserve

Lucio Agra <agra21@click21.com.br> · Tue, 8 Feb 2005 13:48:34 -0200

I think David has got a point here. The web turned to be a timeless space or
maybe better a typical continuum of both. The cyberspace is modelling itself as
a replica to space itself (at least the way humans understand it since the
"spatial rush") Again an extension, but this time not from the brain itself but
from one of its conceptions.
On the other hand it can be viewed as a sacred space (in the eastern sense).
Once more, it has no time boundaries.
Best
Lucio BR

itando David Daniels <owidnazo@thegatesofparadise.com>:

>
> http://www.thegatesofparadise.com
>
> Dear Folks,
>
> Something we should all realize is that we are at the most 8 years away from
> every computer easily having the capacity to be a web server. Perhaps all
> will be web servers. Our work may last as long at this web which will
> probably be called the 2000-2025 web. Each human being will have a web
> domain to do with as they please. These are perhaps what will not die.
> Pehaps someone in 2505 will say I think I'll say something to Alan Sondheim
> 2000-2005 today.
>
> Your friend,
>
> David
>
> http://www.thegatesofparadise.com
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Alan Sondheim" <sondheim@gmail.com>
> To: <list_netbehaviour@www.netbehaviour.org>; <sondheim@panix.com>
> Cc: "soft_skinned_space" <empyre@lists.cofa.unsw.edu.au>
> Sent: Monday, February 07, 2005 12:24 PM
> Subject: Re: netbehaviour : Re: [-empyre-] Who decides and what to preserve
>
>
> > This has been brought up from time to time; it was discussed at the
> > Incubation conf. a few years ago. I agree - it _is_ an unarchival
> > world, and I think the emphasis on archiving is similar to the
> > emphasis on eternity & the fear of death - look at all those photo
> > departments years ago that insisted on 'archival prints' so they'd
> > stand the test of time - improvisational musicians, just about any,
> > know the value and general absence of those evenings when no one was
> > recording, it's whatever, in the moment. For my own work I upgrade
> > backup and when I can transfer protocols but after I'm gone that will
> > be it. When 'I hope not' and of course 'I hope not' I end up
> > questioning myself in this regard - what DNA juice is squeezing
> > endless labyrinths of time out of me? I'm frightened as hell about
> > death and my work revolves around that fright & yet I know rationally
> > no amount of archive will reconstitute anything, certainly not
> > presence. The Vietnam War was one of the most archived in history and
> > the radical re-rights are still doing what's being done to the
> > Holocaust - denial - two centuries from now Holocaust (of any sort)
> > studies will focus on 1939-45 or thereabouts as most likely mythical.
> > If we're going to archive, why not worry more about DNA - those
> > attempts which I support to resurrect literally the thylacine,
> > Tasmanian tiger? Other species to follow in time - we have to leave
> > something behind us beyond slaughter. Again in relation to archive - a
> > recent, in fact two days' ago, report indicates the onslaught of Iraqi
> > archaeological sites/museums etc. continues with increased fury -
> > nothing is protected but the national museum & that has the doors
> > welded shut. Our energy should, I think, be devoted far more to the
> > preservation of lifeforms on the planet, archiving the real, what's
> > left of the wilderness (I don't want to get into deconstruction here)
> > - we should be out there in preservation, some of us are I think. But
> > why, among digital artists and arts, isn't preservation itself
> > questioned to a greater extent? And what is the source of our fear in
> > this regard? - Alan
> >
> >
> > On Mon, 7 Feb 2005 20:41:32 +1300, The Paul Annears
> > <the.paul.annears@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> There is another related question: why preserve anything (of the
> >> internet) at all?
> >>
> >> I recently looked for archived versions of The Concise Model and found
> >> some pages and some broken links. Not an accurate or complete or even
> >> indicative sampling of The Model.  There were cute baby photos that I
> >> had forgotten, and a few hints of what was to come.
> >>
> >> Yes, the curatorial classes like to conserve and to archive, and an
> >> admirable impulse it is. Otherwise, for example, we would not know
> >> that 'New Zealand' and 'Australia' (to name just two of many examples)
> >> were thriving orgies of peoples and cultures well before the Euro-led
> >> holocausts.
> >>
> >> To archive, to conserve, and to chose this rather than that is an
> >> unavoidable urge, not just of the conservator, not only of the human,
> >> not only of what we understand to be 'the living'.  It is an clearly a
> >> primitive urge of matter.
> >>
> >> However the unarchiveable Sun rises and sets on an essentially
> >> unarchiveable world and I  think that it would be wonderful if the web
> >> was not archived except sporadically and imperfectly with unconscious
> >> bias and that it became, in that way, a virtual parallel to and
> >> acknowledgement of the real world.
> >>
> >> A transient part-world, dimly apprehended by its inhabitants, awash
> >> with propagandist history and of course hugely defective of memory.
> >>
> >> Paul Annear
> >>
> >> On Mon, 7 Feb 2005 16:57:41 +1000, Sharmin Choudhury
> >> <sharminc@dstc.edu.au> wrote:
> >> > I am not sure if anyone has brought this up but this is something I
> >> > think is
> >> > important. PANIC does not specify what to preserve and does not rate
> >> > digital
> >> > objects by content. We leave it to the curatorial organisation to make
> >> > that
> >> > decision. Yet how a curatorial organisation would come to a decision
> >> > fascinates me, because often what we consider not worth saving is
> >> > exactly
> >> > what the future generations might consider as being important. As a
> >> > case in
> >> > point, the ancient Egyptians did not think it very important to record
> >> > the
> >> > lives of the ordinary folk, the workers who built the pyramids and so
> >> > worth.
> >> > Yet one of most important discoveries in recent times have been camps
> >> > for
> >> > the said workers where the workers have left their mark and bits and
> >> > pieces
> >> > from their daily lives. Anyone have any comment in this regard?
> >> >
> >> > Sharmin Tinni Choudhury
> >> > Research Engineer
> >> > DSTC PTY LTD
> >> >
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